and look at the communiques that came from ambassador stevens. look what wa -- what was transpiring in libya. we have to realize this is a terrorist attack. this an act of war. this is not something that was carried out by some video watching benghazi-based community organizer that said let's bow flash mob the consulate in benghazi. this was a terrorist attack. bill: do you think it stops with susan rice? or does it go to the secretary of state hillary clinton or beyond that? >> this is why we need an independent council and we need the investigations to begin immediately. i think this is an issue -- benghazi-gate is the right term for this. this is very, very serious. probably more serious than watergate. and to call this a response to a video when it was obviously a terrorist attack -- and when you read some of the documentation on this, and you know that there has been other sites and locations that have bind attack in libya, when you know that the libyan government felt there was something getting ready to transpire. when you know a get know